Should I try to learn more things systematically?
I just added to my book recommendations post that I want to read nerdy books about the principles of baking and power-lifting [separate books to be clear, though tbf I would totally read a book that was like "the optimal cakes for building muscle" or something. Though that is probably just "cakes with as much protein as is practical to put in a cake".]
Anyway, the common factor is: I think in some domains, I'm under-utilizing my bent towards/talent for understanding systems/principles, or something?
i.e., there are various practices that throughout my life I've worked on and been either informally or formally educated in, but that I've not learnt very 'systematically'. By that I mean, it wasn't like someone sat me down and was like 'ok, here are the basic building blocks of this activity, here's what all the different moving parts do, here are simpler techniques that you can build into complex techniques...'
And two of those are weightlifting and baking - other examples might be singing and social or emotional skills of various kinds. In most of these cases, I haven't learned these things systematically partly because I've been a casual learner and wasn't prioritizing them. But it's also partly - and I think this is especially the case for social skills - that I alieved that they were not the sort of thing that *could* be learned systematically, or even *had* a system. When I've had teachers (as in for singing and weightlifting), they haven't approached things in a first-principles way. And for e.g. baking, most people get into baking via "try some recipes", not "understand exactly what certain ratios of sugar to flour to fat tend to do" - so that's also what I did. And for social skills, people call them "soft" skills, which I guess means "you *can't* learn this systematically".
But now I think that there must be some kind of system behind all these things, and maybe they are not generally taught systematically just because most people have limited appetites for that and learn better by imitation/trial and error?
It's kinda like how, on Duolingo, they don't teach grammar. I assume this is because for most people, immersion and repetition works better than grammar-learning, grammar just confuses them and makes it boring for them. But *I* have studied lots of complicated grammar (when studying Latin and Greek and such), and so it *wouldn't* confuse me, and I'm often like 'just tell me the grammar dammit! I'd be able to remember the sounds easier if I knew the system behind them!'
Similarly maybe most singing or weight-lifting or baking learners don't want "let's start with an extensive 2 hour lecture where I tell you about the science of your lungs/your muscles/flour", but I would totally enjoy that and it would probably help me a lot.
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in reply to Amber Dawn • •I feel similarly about this. I tend to want to think in "models" rather than eg. procedures or rules and can have a hard time learning from or teaching people who don't. But I also think there are some classes of skills where having the model helps but the limiting factor in still drilling things into my System 1 brain.
For example, I recently started learning the violin but I'm already proficient in music theory from studying piano as a kid. The bulk of my learning in the past year and a half has been about developing different types of muscle memory around fingering/bowing and being able to listen to how that influences the sound. Having the model helps me identify gaps and structure my practice to target specific skills but I still need to do scales every day.
I suspect a lot of music curricula (an language, sports, etc.) are structured the way that they are so that learners can get started on drilling those sorts of low-level skills in parallel with developing the theory. The disadvantage is that sometimes certain things don't "click" until later. Eg. I'm also in a
... show moreI feel similarly about this. I tend to want to think in "models" rather than eg. procedures or rules and can have a hard time learning from or teaching people who don't. But I also think there are some classes of skills where having the model helps but the limiting factor in still drilling things into my System 1 brain.
For example, I recently started learning the violin but I'm already proficient in music theory from studying piano as a kid. The bulk of my learning in the past year and a half has been about developing different types of muscle memory around fingering/bowing and being able to listen to how that influences the sound. Having the model helps me identify gaps and structure my practice to target specific skills but I still need to do scales every day.
I suspect a lot of music curricula (an language, sports, etc.) are structured the way that they are so that learners can get started on drilling those sorts of low-level skills in parallel with developing the theory. The disadvantage is that sometimes certain things don't "click" until later. Eg. I'm also in a swing class and for the first few weeks I did fine in the class but would get really lost and frustrated in the social dance. It wasn't until the instructors starting talking about "frame" and "connection" and how that enables leaders to transmit their intent that I was able to tune in to what following was supposed to "feel" like and adjust my approach and I wish those concepts had been introduced earlier.
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