There's this basic mistake where people use proof-by-counterexample when someone is talking about a general trend or an average.
It first stuck out to me in college. My friend claimed ~"rap and country fans are less intelligent, on average, than fans of other genres." Our dormmate replied ~"that's not true, I like rap and I'm not dumb." I don't know if the initial claim was correct, but that's not a legitimate counterargument.
I was just watching a little bit of the Vance and Walz debate. In the context of gun violence, Vance talked about the mental health crisis in America.
Walz replied "Just because you have a mental health issue, doesn't mean you're violent. And I think what we end up doing is we start looking for a scapegoat. Sometimes it just is the guns."
I think that's the same mistake. Vance claimed ~"we have more gun violence than other countries with the same amount of gun ownership because more people have bad mental health here." Walz apparently heard that as ~"all people with mental health issues are violent," and so he refuted that.
(Perhaps I'm missing some context. Did conservative culture decide that people with depression/anxiety/bipolar/etc are *usually* dangerous?)
Tangentially, on the object level: do people really think that gun violence is committed by people who are totally mentally healthy? I don't think homicide is something you do when you are happy and sane...
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in reply to kip • •I think the whole "where is the boundary between 'mental health' and regular psychology" question is very relevant here.
Conservatives tend to want to see behavioral problems as the result of "bad people", and solve them with traditional methods, e.g. punishment; progressives tend to want to see the same problems as the result of mental health issues, and to solve them with therapy / psychiatry (at least, when the behavior isn't associated with rich white men).
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